Please object to these retroactive planning proposals that will see yet another pub lost on the fringes of our area. Change of use from pub to restaurant - this the main one and the Stout Yeomanry of CAMRA have pitched in:
Change of Use from A4 to A3

Though this one is really cheeky.
Prior(?) approval for change of use from pub (Drinking Establishment A4) to A3 (Restaurants and Cafés) Prior Approval? You can object via the 'Comment on Application' tabs. The Consultation Period ends on 07/12/20.

This shopfront pub had long lay dormant and closed. A planning application dated from May
2019 (Ref: HGY/2019/1417) for the pub is still shown as pending. This retains the use of the ground floor &
basement as a pub but includes the extension and conversion of the premise's upper floors to 8 residential
units. As this included the proviso that the pub would be retained for A4 use, there was no strong local
objection. However, in August 2020, refurbishment work began on the premises and it suddenly opened as
The Nivan Restaurant, a Turkish kebab house with seating. The Nivan

I was never a huge fan of The Nelson pub but that was down to its poor unimaginative management, and former ownership by Greedy King. The Prince N22 and The Antwerp Arms N17 have shown that formerly rundown old boozers can be turned into thriving community assets. I fear that retroactive planning approval will be granted to save the cost of litigation on the Council's behalf - the kind of consistent avoidance of coherent planning responsibility by Haringey Council that has seen Wood Green blighted by a preponderance of fried chicken shops, kebab houses, bookies, charity & pound shops, and a general decline of the area as a shopping centre.

Pubs lost don't return. Since 2000, the Office of National Statistics reports that a quarter of pubs have closed in the UK, totalling more than 13,000 locations. Four out of five people have seen a pub close down within five miles of their home, five in my immediate locality (The Fishmongers Arms, The Alexandra, The Nightingale, The Jolly Anglers and now The Lord Nelson). This loss is only going to be accelerated with the impact of COVID-19, and the predatory advances of property developers prioritising profit over local community needs.

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Hi Richard,

You may not be aware, but the government recently made some big changes to the planning use classes:

This may affect how you frame your objections to these proposals, but I am not sure at the moment.


Thanks Daniel. These changes came into effect on 1st September 2020. The refurbishment and opening of the restaurant preceded this in August 2020. T'Council have specified that this legislation does not apply retrospectively

the owners had their permission to turn this pub into a restaurant denied in dec 2020

yet... it is still trading as a restaurant

the owners have appealed to the planning inspectorate

You can find the appeal on the following link:

The reference number is 3277642

the appeal was refused. see pdf.



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