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Permalink Reply by Hutch Woodward on November 5, 2021 at 20:57

I am going to stick my neck out and say i am pretty sure the first photo is the synagogue sight at the bottom of Brownlow road, which is incidentally the same side as the flats but further down.

The flats now occupy what was an empty plot of some sort possibly a football/rugby pitch which can just about be made out from an aerial photo i have some where and i have a low resolution bomb map dated 1944 that shows it vacant devoid of houses.

The flats are almost opposite Goring road and there is no tell tale rebuilding of the houses opposite (I have looked many times) compare the houses opposite the synagogue today and Tewksbury terrace and you see although they have been rebuilt the bricks are different on those houses - they are brown where as the other houses are red, red/yellow.

Below is a photo i lifted from ebay (forgive the size and my sticky fingers) and you can make out it is at the bottom of Brownlow and not where the flats are nearer the top. A search of a bomb damage map again would confirm this.

This photo appears to be taken from an upstairs window perhaps the chemist?

They rebuilt the synagogue and the houses after the war and you see the variation in the style but they occupy the same plot. 

I enjoy your history posts Richard and if you are interested please google Tewkesbury Terrace Rocket incident.

V2's had conventional explosive warheads and you heard two bangs, one supersonic and the explosion.

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Permalink Reply by Anthony Levy on December 1, 2021 at 11:21

Further to earlier posts, my parents moved into Brownlow Court around 1941. They had the flat at the top hidden by the trees, basically in line wit the end car. They were in bed on the night the V2 raid and Mum recalled that the blast was so severe it lifted the bed nearly to the ceiling and actually cracked the concrete roof. It leaked for ever after that.! As Mum was expecting me, she moved to St Albans after that and spent the rest of the war there.

I lived in the flat from 1945 to 1972 when I married and moved to Woodford Green. The first school I went to from age 5 to about 9 was in a large house in Brownlow Road called Beaumaris. It was on the left hand side of the road next door the the vicarage and run by a pair of dear old ladies. At age 9 Dad thought I had better learn something if I wanted to pass the 11+ so he sent tme to Bowes Road primary and from there to Trinity Grammar school Wood Green, next to St Michaels church. I eventually left school with O levels and entered into  5 year engineering apprenticeship ending up as a Chartered Engineer in the Construction business woking on designs for many major projects such as the Barbican Arts Centre and the London Eye.

and it all started in Brownlow Court!

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Permalink Reply by Colin Younger on November 8, 2021 at 12:48

Would there be an issue if I copied parts of this to post on to the Friends of Broomfield Park website in connection with Remembrance Service on 11 November? 

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Permalink Reply by Richard Matz on November 9, 2021 at 20:25

None at all as long as all sources are acknowledged

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Permalink Reply by Colin Younger on December 2, 2021 at 14:11

The names of the civilians killed are on the plaque in the

Broomfield Park Remembrance Garden

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Permalink Reply by Michael Downey on November 16, 2021 at 18:47

Hi,Do you remember what the name of Patels Chemist on the corner of Brownlow Road and the North Circular/Bowes Road when this happened.

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Permalink Reply by Anthony Levy on December 6, 2021 at 16:41

May have been Underwoods. Maybe not!

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Permalink Reply by David Gardner on April 8, 2024 at 21:17

I lived in Bowes Road at the time and remember being woken up in the night by the sound of the explosion from the Brownlow Road Synagogue V2.

From memory I believe the Chemists on the SE corner of the junction was called Aspdens. SW was Oscroft bicycles, NW was Barclays Bank and NE Harry Clark the Dentist.

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Permalink Reply by Hutch Woodward on April 9, 2024 at 12:49

Broomfield pharmacy originally - yes that is the same site

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Permalink Reply by Roger Haynes on December 2, 2021 at 18:48

That is amazing. We lived in Queens Road (I was born 1946 and lived there until 1958) and our little garden backed onto what may have been these flats. I had no knowledge of these being flattened. They must have built the flats very quickly after the war. Maybe these were not the same flats. The ones I knew were just below the shops which are opposite Bounds Green Underground Station???? Roger

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Permalink Reply by Hutch Woodward on April 9, 2024 at 12:38

Roger i think you have the wrong flats in mind. The two photos that Richard posted at the beginning of the article that Gary Boulder claims are not of the same site. 

The damage is of the houses next door to the Bounds Green Synagogue A406 end.

Synagogue is just behind  "image-ioimages". I purchased the full size photo but m not allowed to reproduce it here so this one will suffice.

Synagogue is next to the Gayday van.

Here it is and you can clearly see it is the same building from the wooden fence, the hedge and the gate posts - this is from Enfield archives. 

In conclusion they are not a "before and after" because they are two different locations albeit of the same road.

check out this link

https://historicengland.org.uk/images-books/archive/collections/aer...

This is an aerial photo from 1946 and is of the Bounds Green area. It shows all bomb damage and if you look real hard you can even make out surface air raid shelters.

You can see the V2 strike on Bowes road at the A406 end- synagogue is damaged but intact, The flats - Brownlow court is also intact. I had falsely concluded from a 1944 bomb map they had not been built yet and was wrong. Somebody had used an older 1930's map but i now have a correct one somewhere.

Aftermath of Tewksbury road V2 "incident" is also visible.

 

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