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Permalink Reply by Mat Riches on June 2, 2016 at 10:41

It really is so sad Caroline that this beautiful stretch of green land is being abused and spoiled for people. It also makes me so angry that good local people have to waste their valuable time cleaning up after these ignorant oiks who blight the area with their thoughtlessness and aggressive behaviour.

- I think one way is to work with the police to get the land declared an alcohol free zone and then enforce it strongly, along with clamping down on anti social behaviour. Zero tolerance. If there behaviour is disrupting residents as well there must be a case to be made?

- One reason they feel so confident about misbehaving is because it is shielded from Myddleton Road completely, they are hidden from prying eyes. If there was a way of making it more directly visible from the pavement and linking the path to Myddleton Road they wouldn't feel so cock sure of themselves. Having said that, I would imagine the brick structure contains something fairly important and not moveable.

A good discussion though Caroline, thank you. I hope something can be done.

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Permalink Reply by miranda andrea on August 30, 2016 at 19:34

Hi everyone!

I feel disgusted with the growing rubbish recently!   There seems to be a complete lack of respect for the riverbank. 

I think more visibility would be good and some regular community police patrol at particular times would be good to!

Miranda

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Permalink Reply by Susan Mears on June 4, 2016 at 14:52

Caroline

Thank you for bringing this up on Bowes & Bounds.  It is indeed an ongoing problem.  My garden backs on to the New River, and the swearing and loud music,  plus dog barking is intolerable at times.  I too noticed the barbecues and smoke.   I have reported this to 101 on several occasions.

These people tend to be heavy drinkers and are generally on the river bank from about 3 pm when the weather permits.

If we can work with Thames Water and the police to have large "no alcohol" notices this could very well help the situation.

Once again Caroline, thanks for addressing this.

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Permalink Reply by Deborah Holder on June 10, 2016 at 15:24

I think about this a lot as it's such a lovely resource that many people, myself included, are afraid to use. I walk my dog there most days - and clean up any mess behind me - but whenever I see the group of drinkers at the Myddleton Road end I turn and go back the other way. They often have a dog off the lead and are drunk and aggressive. I hate the feeling that i am allowing myself to be driven away particularly as I know that the more often all of us avoid the area, the more likely the drinkers are to return. I have tried calling the community police but I'm not really sure whether they are breaking the law and feel that the police will have more serious things to deal with. On the other half between Whittington and the new small park, there are always drug users, lots of dog shit and rubbish. Other than clearing up mess, which I do when I can, does anyone have any other suggestions about what can be done?

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Permalink Reply by Matthew Kitching on June 17, 2016 at 20:33

It is a shame that this area is being blighted in this manner.  I'm not sure what the answer is, perhaps its a combination of the suggestions made.  One thought is whether the council could be lobbied to install temporary CCTV?  It might be a short term measure and there may be issues about where it can point, but if it is visible enough it might deter people (and potentially move them on to somewhere else..?).  Perhaps the council could be encouraged by reminding them that Myddleton Road and its immediate area is a key local community resource e.g. for the market and Myddleton Rd Community Garden and if the council wishes to support regeneration it should be prepared allocate resources to protect the area, even if on a temporary basis.

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Permalink Reply by Caroline Simpson on June 19, 2016 at 9:08

Yesterday afternoon - the day before the Festival and Market - I decided that it could not look foul for that day at least.  George, my 9 year old grandson, very kindly helped me clear it all up and put the rubbish in the bins in the gym.  There was lots of human poo around the bin area - which is really horrid.  But also someone had let their dog/s foul in the M Rd Garden - more shame on them.

PLEASE, until the police and Council and TW agree on extra rules for the path etc, can anyone who is able to join a rota of Path and Garden cleaners please contact Emma at Killick Stores in Myddleton Road or reply here.  It means you would volunteer to clear it all once every 3 /4 weeks.

Litter-picker, bags and gloves provided.

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Permalink Reply by Chaela Hall on September 5, 2016 at 19:52

cctv gets vandalised with spray paint etc. It's not a deterrent anymore

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Permalink Reply by Shona Rose on June 26, 2016 at 20:14

Its so frustrating .... it could be such a lovely place to sit/walk, a real asset to the area.  But now I avoid it completely, as I know it will either be full of unsavoury characters drinking etc, or just full of rubbish (or worse).  Are there signs prohibiting the use of barbecues?
Matt's suggestion is a good one (of somehow making it more visible from the road), as obviously one of the reasons drinkers/druggies like to hang out there is that it is secluded.  
And maybe its worth attempting to get them to move their shady activities elsewhere by re-claiming the area for the rest of us - calling a flash mob for a few weeks running?  Could the Myddleton Road market actually locate some activities on the riverbank?  Local community groups (Ramblers, Dog-walkers, Camera clubs etc) making it a regular rendezvous point?  In short, just making it a much more public place.

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Permalink Reply by Alice Mason on September 1, 2016 at 13:44

I don't know whether anyone has tried the haringey app for posting pictures of dumped rubbish. They are supposed to then come round and clear. I have used this a number of times recently. Particularly with dumped sofas, fridges and mattresses (there have been about 5 on Cheshire road in the last month). I wonder if there is something which can be done around educating people around the councils services for rubbish removal.

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Permalink Reply by Deborah Holder on September 1, 2016 at 14:08

I'm in Granville which is Enfield and the rubbish is just as bad on the half of the New River path at the end of Russel Road. This is particularly sad as there is now a small park there that was built using money raised by the community and is intended for families. It's unlikely you'd take your kids there as the rubbish - soiled nappies,picnic and otehr food left overs etc - is disgusting and the new bench is usually occupied by drinkers who leave bottles and cans everywhere. I agree with Alice that education around this would be useful.

A big problem with dumping is that Enfield council charge a ridiculous amount of money to collect. I think it's over £50 per item which almost certainly encourages people to dump in the street. Haringey may be better. When I used to live there it was much cheaper per five items and there were also occasional free collection days. 

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