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Permalink Reply by Kevin on February 1, 2011 at 14:34

The North London Waste Authority web site has just been updated with the details of public meetings.
http://www.nlwa.gov.uk/cms_downloads/FINAL_a5-household-leaflet.pdf

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Permalink Reply by Richard McKeever on February 4, 2011 at 13:29

Barnet Council has a page on their website - http://engage.barnet.gov.uk/environment-and-operations/pinkham_way/... largely repeating the information on the NLWA site

(Thanks to the good folks at the Clyde Road N22 website for the link)

Formal Consultation will begin with the opening of the "exhibition" on Feb 12th

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Permalink Reply by Kevin on February 5, 2011 at 9:47

It seems so very odd that a development of this scale and actually in Haringey seems to have no input from our very own Council. Maybe they only care about residents in the east of the borough.

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Permalink Reply by Richard McKeever on February 5, 2011 at 21:25

As a result of this online discussion I recieved an e-mail alerting me to a website dedicated to identifying and sharing information and comment about the intended use by North London Waste Authority of PINKHAM WAY site.

Have a look at http://pinkhamwayincinerator.blogspot.com/ where the current information is all collated.

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Permalink Reply by Kevin on February 5, 2011 at 23:53

Richard, thank you very much for this link. It seems that only is Barnet getting over £12m for the site in return in addition to the proposed refuse recycling facility the Barnet Council are also planning a new depot for their own use, including it seems moving their existing recycling site. None of this is mentioned in the NLWA documents or web site.

2.7 Cabinet (special meeting) 11 August 2009 (Decision Item 5) approved
the sale of the Council’s land holdings at the former Friern Barnet Sewage Works, Pinkham Way to the North London Waste Authority,subject to reservation of 4.5 acres for the Council to retain and construct a new depot facility.
The activities to
be accommodated within the new depot facilities include:
Office Accommodation
Parking for the Recycling & Refuse Fleets Fuel Station
Maintenance Facility & Parking for the Winter Fleet
Salt Barn
Relocation of the May Gurney Recycling operation

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Permalink Reply by John on February 6, 2011 at 13:30

I am one of the administrators of the

 

http://pinkhamwayincinerator.blogspot.com/

 

web site.

if you approve of its existence and broad contents, please publicise it as widely as possible in the area, particularly before the public consultation!

As well as the 'North London Waste Authority', there is also a 'North London Waste Plan'. The latter is an amalgam of the planning departments of the seven NLWA boroughs. You may wish to study its web site as well.

 

Subject to clarification at the NLWA event, the Authority has alternated its views for some time, over what to use Pinkham Way for, and what the possible uses are for sites further west, at Brent Cross.

Currently, trains are loaded at Brent Cross with unsorted, compacted domestic waste, and transported by train every day to a hole in the ground at Calvert, Buckinghamshire. This is an enormous waste of resources, and alternatives are being discussed.

 

The future lies in a hierachy, starting with waste minimisation, reuse and dismantling of manufactured goods, recycling, and composting - but what do you do with the rest?

There are many people who think that land fill is the best solution, especially if the quantities involved keep reducing. However, the EU is pushing for the abandonment of land fill (the EU's previous good idea was bio-fuel, which helped to cause the spike in food prices, and food riots around the world). The NLWA is constrained by decisions already made at the national and Boris-the-Mayor levels of government, although these can be challenged.

 

Pinkham Way has been a potential incinerator for the NLWA, although that word is verboten - the new word is usually "gasification", although there are other methods. Any gas produced by the process is then used by PR companies to push the (inefficient) benefits of "Energy from Waste". If you hear that phrase, run a mile!

An equally worrying phrase is: "Don't worry: emissions from the chimney and the removal of toxic ash are covered by strict government regulations!" Please see the national "UKWIN" web site.

 

Pinkham Way could also be used for the processing of organic material (like on "The Archers") in a digester. If Pinkham Way is used for that, then only the scale of the plant might be an issue.  And the smell, if the industrial process goes wrong.

 

Form yoru own view of what you want the NLWA to do at Pinkham Way - but I suggest we all produce domestic waste, and we all have a responsibility to consider the technology and the politics of getting rid of it.

 

 

 

 

 

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Permalink Reply by John on February 7, 2011 at 0:44

PINKHAM WAY web site:

http://www.pinkhamwayincinerator.blogspot.com/

 

The list of web site posts has been extended, so it is easier now to see:

    - some HARINGEY documents, and

    - some 'NORTH LONDON WASTE PLAN' references,

lower down on the web site (without having to click on 'OLDER POSTS').

 

Enjoy!

 

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Permalink Reply by John on February 9, 2011 at 23:52

Well, it seems that it is BARNET that wants to know your opinions...

 

http://engage.barnet.gov.uk/environment-and-operations/pinkham_way/...

 

Maybe things will become clearer on Saturday - or you could give the officer a ring.

 

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Permalink Reply by John on February 10, 2011 at 20:57

Consultation Sessions

The public exhibition on
12 February (2.30pm - 7pm) and
15 February (6pm - 8.30pm)
will be held at
Hollickwood Primary School,
Sydney Road,Muswell Hill, N10 2NL

Directions from Muswell Hill Broadway
• Head north along Colney Hatch Lane
• Go straight across at traffic lights/Shell garage
• Turn right at Sydney Road (3rd right after lights)
• Continue along Sydney Road
• Hollickwood School is on your left just past Roman Road and Oak Avenue

Directions from A406 North Circular Road/Pinkham Way, heading east
• Exit the A406 at the Tesco Extra Supermarket (signposted 'Muswell Hill')
• Turn right at the traffic lights, crossing over the A406, heading south along Colney Hatch Lane
• Turn left at Hampden Road (1st available left after joining Colney Hatch Lane)
• Continue to the end of Hampden Road and turn right onto Sydney Road
• Hollickwood School is on your right just past Audley Close.


The exhibition on
16 February (2pm -7pm)
will be held at
St Paul's Church Parish Hall,
High Road / Woodland Road, New Southgate,
N11 1PN

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Permalink Reply by Kevin on February 12, 2011 at 11:04

The proposals seem to suggest one option is to build an AD plant on the Pinkham Way site. AD is shorthand for Anaerobic Digestion, using bugs to breakdown waste. What I did not realise is that as they produce gas from waste the are know to explode! I trust the following link works but the front page and pages 10-11 are interest with three fatal explosions in AD plants Germany and plus a death in a UK plant.
http://content.yudu.com/Library/A1qvzz/ADampBiogasNewsIssue/resourc...

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Permalink Reply by John on February 13, 2011 at 0:12

They say Pinkham Way would take about one third of the domestic and trade waste from the seven north London boroughs.

 

Only "black bag" waste would arrive. It would be mechanically separated into

(a) what small amount of recyclable material there was that could be extracted;

(b) an "organic" component, that would either be anaerobically digested or composted; and

(d) the rest.

 

How much processing of "the rest" happened at Pinkham Way is very vague. It would depend on which of the five contractors won the 35-year, multi-BILLION-pound contract. (Well it's 25-35 years, and the single  contract would be for the whole of north London.)

 

The planning permission is really for a big "box" that could reasonably contain any of the five options (they will not say what the five outline bids that are now in actually contain).

The "rest" is turned into "Solid Recovered Fuel" (SRF). It would probably involve being heated up at Pinkham Way, if only to remove water, but higher temperatures must surely be possible.

The SRF end-result is then burnt in an incinerator somewhere, to produce electricity and usable heat (by first producing burnable gas, so this would be a two-stage process). That needs to happen therefore near a district heating scheme (so it probably needs a new housing estate - Brent Cross?) or a big industrial site.

Many of the 560 lorries every day would be taking the SRF away - so seemingly there's no incinerator at Pinkham Way (but where?)

 

It seems a big question how the SRF is produced. Would it be in pressure vessels (which can and do explode)? The Tupperware container of "SRF" was, I think, just shredded black bag contents (including plastics - which may create dioxins and nanoparticles when burnt).

 

"SRF" is very nearly "RDF", which is "Refuse-Derived Fuel", which is the expression always used at Brent Cross, for more-processing than just chopping up black bags (it is produced at 700degC, and would be sent to the "Energy from Waste" furnaces on-site. The word "incinerator" is "banned" there, but Brent Cross would include a "gasifying incinerator" to burn the RDF.

 

That's enough TLAs for now.

 

 

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Permalink Reply by John on February 15, 2011 at 0:39

There's a wider aerial view of the site now, on

http://pinkhamwayincinerator.blogspot.com/

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