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Permalink Reply by Paul o'callaghan on September 28, 2012 at 15:58

There are now traffic lights at the end of Warwick rd on the junction with Bowes rd Nicole can you not cross there ?

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Permalink Reply by Nicole James on September 28, 2012 at 16:37

Not sure I am keen on my two and four year olds scooting next to the North Circ, for however short a distance unless I can't avoid it, to be honest. Doesn't really help with going to the shop either...

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Permalink Reply by sue coles on September 28, 2012 at 16:59

I definitely agree that we should have a zebra crossing on Warwick Road.  It has taken me 10 minutes to cross Warwick from Maidstone Road with traffic streaming down Warwick Road to get to the North Circular.  Also, if you are crossing from the upper end of Maidstone Road and you are crossing from the corner where the flats are, the cars come really fast down Maidstone Road to turn left into Warwick Road to get onto Bounds Green Rpoad and I witnessed one evening someone being knocked down.  Luckily the person in question was ok but it could have been really nasty. 

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Permalink Reply by Caroline Wall on September 30, 2012 at 1:18

Maybe several crossings down Warwick Road - it is the original rat run road.   I live at the top of Warwick Road in a block of flats next to the Ranelagh.

Caroline

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Permalink Reply by Laura Davenport on September 30, 2012 at 10:54

There is a residents meeting (Broomfield School, Wilmer Way.  Tuesday 2nd Oct, 7.30-8.45) where the key item on the agenda will be a discussion re the A406 road scheme and if it has achieved all it set out to achieve.  The TfL document promoting their scheme said it would:

Improve the safety of all road users...

Provide better crossing facilities for pedestrians

Encourage cycling and walking in the area

Reduce 'rat-running' on side roads

(a few other things as well)

The TfL scheme forces more vehicles down Warwick Road than pre scheme due to the traffic lights at A406 junction.  100's of local people got involved with Enfield Council traffic calming consultations, the aim being to come up with a scheme that would manage the extra traffic.  TfL provided a few £m for Enfield to install a traffic calming scheme but Enfield couldn't really be bothered.  They have put some cheap chunks of tarmac on roads to slow traffic down (or not!). 

You are all very welcome to attend the meeting on Tuesday but if you can't make it have a look at http://www.bhora.org  This website is still under construction but gives you a bit of background.  If we all work together we should be able to squeeze a pedestrian crossing out of the council.

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Permalink Reply by Sean Fanning on September 30, 2012 at 13:10

I, too, was involved in the residents' input into Enfield's traffic calming. It slows down some of the traffic some of the time, but the amount of vehicles appears to have increased. I think at least one pedestrian crossing is now needed on Warwick Road. I've also noticed the situation for young schoolchildren walking along the A406 is precarious when crossing the bottoms of Natal and Warwick Roads, with traffic swinging in off the A406. Maybe signs or more emphatic calming in those spots is needed.

 

 

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Permalink Reply by Richard McKeever on October 7, 2012 at 12:14

As well as getting Residents Association behind the idea - there is an opportunity to raise concerns directly with councillors at the Area Forum meeting for Bowes, Palmers Green and Southgate Green Wards at the TaB Centre Palmerston Road N22 on October 18th

 More information here

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Permalink Reply by Laura Davenport on September 30, 2012 at 13:33

Re Seans idea of more emphatic traffic calming.  I'm sure he remembers that we did all ask for and thought we were getting raised tables at junctions, brick-block style that clearly shows vehicles  they are moving away from a main road and into a residential area.  The change of colour (tarmac to red brick) and change of texture (tarmac to red brick) encourages drivers to think differently about the area they are moving in to.  We didn't get the brick work but did get tarmac on top of tarmac!  I am tempted to ask TfL for a breakdown of how their £4million towards traffic calming on our local roads was actually spent but a big part of me just doesn't want to know!

Anyone out there with a big pot of white paint and a steady hand? 

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Permalink Reply by Caroline Wall on October 7, 2012 at 18:08

No buses come up or down Warwick Road

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Permalink Reply by Peter Williams on October 5, 2012 at 13:46

The lack of safety barriers along the A406 was recently highlight as a concern by the Parents at Bowes, TFL actually removed barriers when the foot bridge was removed but did not replace them. The traffic signal at the end of Warwick offers at least allow one controlled crossing point. If you were going to consider another it would need to be near or adjacent to CostCutters but this would take away our valuable parking spaces, anywhere else is a problem as properties on the West side of Warwick are allowed to have dropped kerbs and many have. Had the traffic table adjacent to CostCutter been made a larger raised area of block paving to slow the traffic further and therefore provide a safer area to cross but not take away valuable parking spaces, this would have been a better solution, currently the only difference we notice with the traffic on Warwick road is you are now well aware when any lorry or van  with an unsecured load hits one.

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Permalink Reply by Nicole James on October 6, 2012 at 18:16

I do appreciate the problem with parking but think safety has to be a primary concern. In my view, the parking policy in this area needs a complete overhaul to reduce the number of concreted over front gardens (we have one and I am very conscious that they arenot great for the environment: www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/jul/18/front-gardens-paved-park...) but to allow residents a reasonable chance of on-street parking close to their property. 

I cycled up York Road on Friday and was reminded that one of the problems at the junction with Warwick Road is that you can't see traffic coming from the left because of a gentle curve in the road hidden behind parked cars. You virtually have to be half way across the road before you can see on-coming traffic. Not great on a bike and even worse when you are trying to cross with kids.

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Permalink Reply by Laura Davenport on October 6, 2012 at 19:22

And even worse when you are trying to teach you children how to cross the road so they can eventually walk to school on their own.  Parking is an issue and doesn't allow space for pedestrian crossings, build outs etc.  Maybe Enfield Council could address house conversions.  When a house is converted to 2 or more flats it brings more cars with the conversion but no where to park the car.

So what's more important, people being able to cross a road safely or being able to park more cars on the road?

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